Bradley Ambrose
Stuff reports:
The cameraman responsible for the teacup tape is a former police constable who was suspended from the force while connections with a militia leader were investigated.
Bradley Ambrose, formerly known as Brad White, was investigated by police in 2000 for his connection with Kelvyn Alp, an ex-soldier who was reportedly trying to recruit a private army to oppose the government. Ambrose returned to police work after the investigation but subsequently left the force. …
The police suspension occurred in 2000 after items that allegedly belonged to White were found during a raid of Alp’s Mangere home. Alp was reportedly trying to recruit a private army to oppose the government at the time.
Alp – who said he’d met White at a friend’s wedding – claimed to have 100 members of his New Zealand Armed Intervention Force (NZAIF), armed and prepared to carry out “illegal” missions. Alp said White was not connected to the NZAIF.
Very strange. There’s normally a compelling reason for someone to change their name.
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November 15th, 2011 at 4:36 pm
White, white, white? Where have I heard that surname already today?
Joylon White. mmmm.
November 15th, 2011 at 4:38 pm
And if he was an active member of the Police force, why was he investigated and not the one who reported it?
November 15th, 2011 at 4:45 pm
expat – Maybe it’s Christchurch’s finest, the White Wing Wesistinse that is behind it all?
http://rwrnz.blogspot.com/
November 15th, 2011 at 4:54 pm
Sounds like he’s a typical Mana Party activist.
Maybe he is the White Mofo Hone was referring to .
Then again perhaps not.
November 15th, 2011 at 4:54 pm
From the Stuff story:
“A police spokesman confirmed that a Bradley White worked for the police as a sworn member from November 1996 to October 2000. The spokesman would not provide details on why White left the police, because of “privacy issues”.”
Oh the irony!
Surely though Bradley will concent to the release of all of these details? Nothing to hide nothing to fear eh?
November 15th, 2011 at 4:57 pm
Nick C
+1
November 15th, 2011 at 5:01 pm
Nick C – funny.
Not sure that this has anything to do with the storm in a teacup, but it shows how people’s past can come back to haunt them, especially if they piss people off who are used to mining for munition.
November 15th, 2011 at 5:03 pm
One gentleman at our bar remarked yesterday that taping snoopy surrepticious private conversations is like rooting ugly women.
It’s a lot of fun but you would never ever admit to having done so.
This man has no shame whatsoever, and neither does his employers or colleagues.
November 15th, 2011 at 5:04 pm
Huh, so now we’re attacking the messenger? Very strange to get a post that Godwins itself from the start by making tenuous connections to fascists, DPF.
There must be some serious shit on that recording. Otherwise Key would just say “I waive my privacy rights” and agree for it to be released, and you wouldn’t be constructing a spin wall of distractions.
[DPF: Go back to vandalising billboards]
November 15th, 2011 at 5:08 pm
Huh, so now we’re attacking the messenger? Very strange to get a post that Godwins itself from the start by making tenuous connections to fascists, DPF.
Oh dear Toad, blaming DPF for Fairfax Media articles now?
I wasn’t aware he was the Stuff editor now?
November 15th, 2011 at 5:09 pm
Toad – bad precedent don’t you think? I doubt many politicians would be happy with open slather on secret recordings.
What if another Mr White turned out to have secretly recorded a conversation with Mr Norman?
November 15th, 2011 at 5:10 pm
Toad – if there was serious shit on that recording you know as well as John Key does that it would have been printed already.
It’s very self-incriminating of you to dodge the other threads about the Green vandals though…
November 15th, 2011 at 5:13 pm
Toady!!!
You’re back!
And you’re still a fuck up.
November 15th, 2011 at 5:15 pm
LMAO. This story just gets better and better.
Couple of excerpts from the Stuff article that David Farrar didn’t include:
>>”He [Alp] said Ambrose didn’t want anything to do with his anti-government group after the 2000 police raid, and described him as a “nice guy”.”
>>”Yesterday, Ambrose…. labelled the recording as an error: “But how could you expect a private conversation in a staged media event?” he said.”
November 15th, 2011 at 5:24 pm
“But how could you expect a private conversation in a staged media event?”
Sounds like the defence from Rupert Mudoch’s lawyer.
Public figures have no right to privacy.
They want the attention so they shouldn’t complain.
November 15th, 2011 at 5:33 pm
Serious allegations – quoted for 5:36pm reference.
November 15th, 2011 at 5:36 pm
Meanwhile, on another thread:
Just so I’m clear DPF, are you alleging the Green Party organised the vandalism, or not? I’m confused.
November 15th, 2011 at 5:48 pm
@ DPF 5:04 pm
The people who organised that, some of whom are Green members, were incredibly stupid to do so. The organiser has resigned his Green membership, presumably in the knowledge that expulsion proceedings would follow if he did not.
Every party has its idiots (I know where Paul Quinn is, but tell me, where’s Roger Payne these days?). I’ll admit we in the Greens have ours too.
I don’t condone vandalising billboards, and knew nothing about this until Russel Norman announced it to the media today, apologised to John Key for the actions of a Green Party member and those he had recruited to his vandalism campaign, and offered Green support to remediate the National billboards.
DPF, I take offence to the suggestion, in your insert to my comment, that I was involved or had knowledge. If I did have knowledge, I would have acted to try to stop it.
November 15th, 2011 at 5:55 pm
Just so we are clear Toad, you expect National to be continually hounded for the Exclusive Brethrens (not National Party members…) actions during the 2005 campaign, but the Green’s should be absolved of responsibility for the actions of its members?
Is hypocrisy even in your vocabulary?
November 15th, 2011 at 6:01 pm
@Bevan 5:55 pm
That was overtly orchestrated by Brash as the then leader of the Nats. Big difference between that and something done by a few Green members with no status in the party, and others.
[DPF: yes the EB complied with the law and put authorisation statements on their material. The Greens broke the law, and did not]
November 15th, 2011 at 6:08 pm
lol @ toad
November 15th, 2011 at 6:10 pm
toad, your cheek, double standards and hypocrisy are beyond belief. Shame on you.
November 15th, 2011 at 6:12 pm
RRM>Just so I’m clear DPF, are you alleging the Green Party organised the vandalism, or not? I’m confused.
Norman has apologised for the vandalism. Why would he apologise it it wasn’t anything to do with the Greens?
November 15th, 2011 at 6:12 pm
He’s a Green, they have no shame.
November 15th, 2011 at 7:40 pm
Double standards resulting in the Green party vote in free fall. Watched the criminal on TV one tonight. Does not accept that he has committed any offences. Bye bye green party political stability.
November 15th, 2011 at 7:41 pm
It appears as though our illustrious leader made a derogatory comment about elderly people during his meeting with Banks. Never mind, the right wing nutbars will still think he’s the smartest guy in the room. When the only other guy in the room is Gerry Brownee, that isn’t saying much.
November 15th, 2011 at 7:46 pm
I was travelling today and listeened to comments about the incident and an interview with Norman. He sounded pissed at the vandalism and was talking about the Greens paying compensation. I think toad is right when he says that the core leadership would probably have tried to stop it. It puts the greens back 5 years into the minto brand of politics.
November 15th, 2011 at 7:55 pm
ross (1,071) Says:
November 15th, 2011 at 7:41 pm
It appears as though our illustrious leader made a derogatory comment about elderly people during his meeting with Banks. Never mind, the right wing nutbars will still think he’s the smartest guy in the room. When the only other guy in the room is Gerry Brownee, that isn’t saying much.
fail; they ain’t right wing nutbars, they remain right wing socialists as ever.
November 15th, 2011 at 7:58 pm
@toad [DPF: yes the EB complied with the law and put authorisation statements on their material. The Greens broke the law, and did not]: 6:01 pm
The Greens didn’t break the law. A few Green members, along with others who are pissed of with National, allegedly did.
Of course you will always spin it to the Nats’ advantage, DPF, because you are one of them. But I think it is unfair to try to implicate Russel Norman, me, or anyone else that there is no evidence is directly linked, into what a few overenthusiastic environmentalist activists, coordinated by a now erstwhile Green member, did as a stunt without having regard to the legal or political implications of their actions.
November 15th, 2011 at 8:00 pm
If the alleged derogatory comment about the elderly was along the lines of “NZ First supporters are a dying breed” then that’s storm teacup material. If it was more like “I wish NZ First supporters would hurry up and die” then it would seem John Key really is a lefty.
November 15th, 2011 at 8:01 pm
When I saw that article on Stuff my first thoughts were where and who leaked out all that info. Well the National Party of course. Never mind dealing with the spoken facts (which incidently have been scrutinised by lip readers and will be more so), just do a Helen Clark Attack the person who was doing what we expect the Press to do. (or at least we did before the last election.
It seems now though that because the Key God has his motives questioned we go all out to stop the press from prying in a public place.
I didn’t hear all you right wing socialists going on when you did the same stuff to Clark and Brash. Ah but that was different wasn’t it.
No Principles anymore.
Well that’s right.
None left on the National Party Website either.
Sad that you descend to that level.
November 15th, 2011 at 8:04 pm
toad: “But I think it is unfair to try to implicate insert name here [where] there is no evidence directly linked.”
Test it out with other names to see how it sounds toad
November 15th, 2011 at 8:20 pm
The vandalism wouldn’t have been done by the faction of the Greens that don’t want their party to do any deals with National would it?
If they did they should be happy with the spiking of interparty relations.
November 15th, 2011 at 8:41 pm
Hey Toad
I wondered where you had been hiding, I had thought you might have been watching the cricket but now I know you were flat out sticking things on billboards.
Not a very good look for hypocritical Greens is it mate?, even worse when Wussell denies it given that it is impossible that he did not know all about it.
This one really stinks Toad, I suspect Wuss have been caught telling porkies, and I suspect that this is going to cost the Gweens a lot of votes.
November 15th, 2011 at 8:47 pm
BB, to be fair I think it possible that Russell did not know but it is highly unlikely that no Green MP or board member did not know.
November 15th, 2011 at 8:51 pm
big bruv / manolo / Farrar / et al
I seem to recall there was no hesitation in differentiating the actions of a lone fool from his party, when lone fool was
(a) Richard Worth, or
(b) Donna Awatere-Huata, or
(c) David Garrett
And yet it is amazing how quickly the one brush that tars all is brought out when there is some loose cannon in the Greens.
But don’t let a sense of irony keep you from proclaiming the hypocrisy of the *left* though…
November 15th, 2011 at 8:55 pm
Dang RRM, I thought Shane Jones was the lone fool with the loose cannon
November 15th, 2011 at 9:09 pm
Chuck
Not possible that Norman did not know. The arrogance and control freak nature of the man would simply not allow something like this to go unnoticed by Norman.
He knew alright, I suspect like in many of these cases the attempted cover up will prove to be more damaging than the actual event.
November 15th, 2011 at 9:16 pm
Well toad I’m sure we all accept that you have plausible deniability up the wazoo. The good news is the New Zealand voters are entirely reasonable and rational creatures who accept resonable explianations… or… crap you are so screwed!
November 15th, 2011 at 9:19 pm
RRM: hypocrisy is always a hard one. Those on the left who insisted that Brash “co-ordinated the EB campaign” based on the flimsiest evidence would presumably be hypocritical in saying now that the Greens cannot be implicated in this vandalism. Those on the right who insisted that Brash shouldn’t be implicated for what an unrelated party did based on one meeting presumably shouldn’t be banging on about the Greens now. And then there’s the whole sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander argument.
Ultimately, when it’s not your side doing it, you take the chance the throw stones, knowing that when it’s your turn on the wrong side, those stones will be coming back irrespective of whether you take the free kick now.
November 15th, 2011 at 9:19 pm
bb – I find it hard to understand why Norman would have anything to do with this. Sounds factional.
I don’t see what positive couold be gained by doing the stickers. It would hardly change peoples minds on voting. It was a half baked stunt not very well though through. The chnaces of discovery and bad press were always high.
November 15th, 2011 at 9:35 pm
Pete
You forget, if there is one thing that Norman has an abundance of it is arrogance.
I think they thought they would get away with it as they have with every other stunt they pull, they were sure that the media would give them a pass on this as they have always done.
IMHO Norman panicked when he realised the Greens were about to be outed, his EA has been ‘suspended’ (we all know she will get her job back the day after the election) in an attempt to get somebody else to take the fall.
I don’t buy it, Norman, Turei and the rest of the stinking Greens are all over this.
November 15th, 2011 at 10:49 pm
This is no bumbling amateur who accidentally left a microphone on. This is a very murky individual with much to hide, who is quite highly trained in the dark arts. The NZHerald has much to answer why they hired such a person.
November 15th, 2011 at 10:50 pm
Actually I bet Toad did have a whiff of what was going on and is shedding crocodile tears over the fact that many of his mates have been caught. He said that it wasn’t only Greens, but also people pissed off with the Nats – how would you know this?
1) The vandalism was in Green strongholds (I know the top of the South very well)
2) This would have been very covert – covert enough for Russell to not know (allegedly) but yet other people joined in openly?
3) This would have involved some money – and grassroots members don’t usually hold onto that sort of money. So where did the funding come from? Sitting MPs should have the spotlight put on them immediately.
This stinks and Toad I do not believe you at all.
November 15th, 2011 at 10:54 pm
And back to topic – the tapings are also extremely dodgy. I love watching the left say that it should all be made public and yet ignore the legal ramifications for allowing this.
Should the right start doing what the left are so happy to do during election time? I’d hazard a guess that Russell would be unhappy if we taped what he got up to with his comrades in Aussie, or what Mallard says to his mates in a pub.
November 15th, 2011 at 10:57 pm
I am guessing the PM has asked the SIS to do a background check on Mr Ambrose and it seems that he has a very colorful past. The NZ Herald has basically hired a free lance professional to do a “dirty” job for them. Not something they could give one of their regulars. This is News of the World stuff all right and I am quite sure the PM once he has the facts straight will be having a quiet word with the proprietor of the Herald.
November 15th, 2011 at 11:24 pm
Toad, ever heard of the Crimes Act? The offence is under the Part of the Act entitled Crimes Against Property. If you think that is fine, I could collect every Green party billboard and have a bonfire, but that would be theft, so as a principled person I won’t. Unlike your band of smelly hippies who can’t contriol themselves. The Greens, what a wonderful bunch of criminals, who don’t give a fuck for the Rule of Law, if it is them breaking it, not like the farmers they want the full force of the law applied to.
November 15th, 2011 at 11:33 pm
tvb, the tapped phone transcripts will surely follow. Why is this dodgey ex-copper employed or paid by the Herald? Now that’s an interesting question. Just how covertly does the Herald operate? How many secretive operatives does it have covertly taping any person’s conversation. This is legitimate because now even Winston is taking a punt at what was said, and the media are reporting it as fact. I think that newpaper has questions to answer. In fact, it needs to be brought down by this dispicable scandal.
November 15th, 2011 at 11:37 pm
All we have knowledge of is the activity of one former Green Party member and yet there are accusations of the Green Party acting illegally from the Kiwi Blog host – legally speaking, he should retract his comment.
November 15th, 2011 at 11:41 pm
So, back on planet Earth… Fairfax does a rather flimsy hit job on a former employee with a past that could most politely be called “colourful”. I’m sure it’s a pure coincidence that he’s only in the news because he’s balls deep in a high profile scoop for a direct competitor.
Good God, I don’t know how these sensitive petals would have handled being in a Fleet Street newsroom in the good old ways when they were packed with permanently pissed Eton-educated Communists, Blackshirts, buggers, whore-chasers, expense-fiddling comulsive gamblers, a suspected spy or two and every kind of disreputable reprobate you could imagine – and one or two you couldn’t.
November 15th, 2011 at 11:45 pm
Of all the ways to commit a crime against property a removable sticker would be down at the bottom of the list – worse offences have occured during the campaign.
I wonder if evidence of the removal or damage to another party’s billboard by a National Party member proves the National Party to be a bunch of criminals.
http://blog.labour.org.nz/index.php/2011/11/14/national-getting-desperate-in-waitakere-breaking-the-rules/
November 16th, 2011 at 12:11 am
You’ll probably have to keep wondering then SPC, because so far I haven’t seen any of the leftard parties’ billboards vandalised, just National and Conservative ones. Seems the bunch of criminals are entirely on one side…
November 16th, 2011 at 12:22 am
SPC, no law has been broken on this blog. Bugger off. Hippie wanker.
November 16th, 2011 at 5:56 am
What concerns me is that this is just a continuation of the vendetta of our media on Don Brash. When Hagars book came out, they did absolutely no investigation as to its accuracy, but just published vast tracts of it to crucify the man. Later, when people who were the subject of it tried to put their view across (ie Michael Basset who pointed out such deliberate fabrications as an entire page of emails attributed to him that he never wrote), it was too late and their reputation was forever tarnished.
It seems to me that the media smell blood. Being very left wing they want to see ACT disappear and know their biased reporting has already whittled away their support base. They knowingly put the tape down hoping to get something to put a final nail in the coffin.
If they were applying the same rigour to other minor parties it wouldn’t be so bad, but when they deliberately attempt to discredit the only right wing party we have, I’m not so sure what they does to our democracy.
November 16th, 2011 at 6:13 am
What did the slick and smiley head real estate agent say about our elderly voters (the ones who have the seen the game played through)?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/4622459/Government-policies-blamed-for-house-prices
http://www.gmi.co.nz/pages/news/514/labours-third-world-solution.aspx
November 16th, 2011 at 8:39 am
SPC: Its no better than spraypainting a sign IMO. All the signs I have seen on the Kapiti Coast that have had the stickers removed have large patches of white where the sticker has pulled the paint off the original signage.
It’s blatant vandalisim.
November 16th, 2011 at 9:51 am
So … are Bradley White and Jolyon White related then?
November 16th, 2011 at 1:07 pm
The “compelling” reason could in fact be rather simple … it could be that his wife’s name is Ambrose i.e. he took her name on marriage and not vice versa, or there were some benefit to be an “A” rather than a “W” such as on ballot forms.