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February 1st, 2012 at 8:22 am
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10782579 –
An academic says Maori should “immediately” take a case to court to test whether Treaty rights extend to preferential purchasing treatment of state-owned assets.
Rawiri Taonui, Adjunct Professor of Indigenous Studies at Auckland University of Technology, said it was a cynical step not to include the section 9 clause, which says that “nothing in this act shall permit the Crown to act in a manner that is inconsistent with the principles of the Treaty of Waitangi”.
“Section 9 is really powerful because it allows Maori the opportunity to take Crown decisions to an independent tribunal – that is the courts,” Professor Taonui said. “Someone should go immediately to the Waitangi Tribunal or the High Court and follow that process.”
But then I can’t, can I – it is my understanding that, although the Treaty is a partnership, I can’t take a case to the Waitangi Tribunal, not being Maori myself.
Kind of makes the Treaty really available to only about 15% of the population, and it will interesting to see if that 15% can be bothered getting anything defined by the courts in this case.
In fact it will interesting to see if the Treaty has any relevance at all, apart from the public holiday and a shit-load of wasted paper.
February 1st, 2012 at 8:23 am
Is Red Alert suffering from Farrar Derangement Syndrome? Is it time to pull the plug? What will David Shearer and his b=new Chief of Staff Stuart Nash do? What would H1 and H2 have done? Ahhh; so many questions…
http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2012/02/red-alert-red-alert.html
February 1st, 2012 at 8:29 am
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/6345778/New-animal-virus-concerns-in-Europe
Quickly lets go and spend millions on antidotes that we will be able to throw out in two years.
Mass panic by under- employed health bureaucrats in Wellington.
February 1st, 2012 at 8:38 am
As our schools reopen:
CANADIAN PRINCIPAL’S OPENING MESSAGE TO STUDENTS
________________________________________
From Dennis Prager, Principal of a high school in Toronto, on the first day of classes in 2011:
”Students and faculty of our high school. I am your new principal, and honoured to be so. There is no greater calling than to teach young people.
I would like to inform you of some important changes coming to our school. I am making these changes because I am convinced that most of the ideas that have dominated public education in Canada have worked against you, against your teachers, against your parents, and against our country.
First, this school will no longer honour race or ethnicity. I could not care less if your racial makeup is black, brown, red, yellow, or white. I could not care less if your origins are African, Latin American, Asian or European, or if your ancestors arrived here on the Mayflower, leaky SE Asian refugee ships or on slave ships. The only identity I care about, the only one this school will recognize, is your individual identity — your character, your scholarship, your humanity. And the only national identity this school will care about is Canadian. This is a Canadian public school, and Canadian public schools were created to make better Canadians.
If you wish to affirm an ethnic, racial, religious identity through your school, you will have to go to another one. We will end all ethnicity – race – and non-Canadian-nationality-based celebrations. They undermine the motto of Canada. Everyone is equal, coast to coast.
This school will be guided by Canadian values. That includes all after-school clubs. I will not authorize clubs that divide students based on any identities. This includes gender, race, language, religion, sexual orientation, or whatever else may become into vogue in a society divided by political correctness. Your clubs will be based on interests and passions — not blood, ethnic, tribal, racial or other physically defined ties. Those clubs just cultivate narcissism – an unhealthy preoccupation with the self — while the purpose of education is to get you to think beyond yourself. So, we will have clubs that transport you to the wonders and glories of art, music, sport, debating, astronomy, languages you do not already speak, maths, carpentry, and many many more. If the only extracurricular activities you can imagine being interested in are those based on ethnic or racial or sexual identity, that means that little outside of yourself really interests you – and that means you don’t belong in this school.
Secondly, I am not interested in whether or not English is your native language. My only interest in terms of language is that you leave this school speaking and writing English as fluently as possible. The English language has united Canadian citizens for more than 200 years, and it will unite us at this school. It is one of the indispensable reasons this country of immigrants has always come to be one country. And if you leave this school without excellent English language skills, your teachers and I will have been remiss in our duty to ensure that you are prepared to compete successfully in the Canadian employment market. You will learn other languages here — it is deplorable that most Canadians only speak English. But if you want classes taught in your native language rather than in English, this is not the school for you.
Third, because I regard learning as a sacred endeavour, everything in this school will reflect learning’s elevated status. This means, among other things, that you and your teachers will dress accordingly. Many people in our society dress more formally for a meal at a nice restaurant than they do for church or school. Those people have their priorities backwards. Therefore, there will be a dress code at this school.
Fourth, no obscene language will be tolerated anywhere on this school’s property — whether in class, in the hallways or at athletic events. If you can’t speak without using the “F-word,” you can’t speak. By obscene language I mean the words banned by the Federal Communications Commission plus epithets such as the “N- word,” even when used by one black student to address another, or “bitch,” even when addressed by a girl to a girlfriend. It is my intent that by the time you leave this school, you will be among the few of your age to distinguish instinctively between the elevated and the degraded, the holy and the obscene, the educated and the non-educated.
Fifth, we will end all self-esteem programmes. In this school, self-esteem will be attained in only one way — the way people attain it will be by earning it from their fellow students and teachers. One immediate consequence of this is that there will be only one class valedictorian, not eight.
Sixth, and last, I am reorienting the school programme toward academics, scholarship, and away from politics and propaganda. No more time will be devoted to scaring you about smoking and caffeine, or terrifying you about sexual harassment or global warming. No more semesters will be devoted to condom-wearing and teaching you to regard sexual relations as only, or primarily a health issue. There will be no more attempts to convince you that you are a victim because you are not white, or not male, or not heterosexual, or not Christian. We will have failed, if any one of you graduates from this school does not consider himself or herself inordinately lucky — lucky to be alive, lucky to be well educated, and lucky to be a Canadian.
Now, please stand and join me in singing, OH CANADA to the only flag in Canada. As many of you may not know the words, your teachers will gladly hand them out to you.”
February 1st, 2012 at 8:49 am
@Yvette
Actually what is going on here is quite simple. The maoris want more our country’s resources and infrastructure – which was built up by all New Zealanders over 100 years – and John Key wants to give it to them. The problem is that Key needs to pretend that he is having his arm twisted behind his back, so between them they have manufactured this pseudo-crisis. When its all over, the maoris will have got what they want while the gullible population will breathe a big sigh of relief that everybody is happy and our race relations are steady as a rock. Sheeple.
February 1st, 2012 at 8:51 am
Smells like oil
it proberbly is oil
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10782486
The Chicago-based Heartland Institute paid the New Zealand Climate Science Coalition grants of US$25,000 ($30,800) and US$45,000 in in 2007.
Mr Leyland has since had a further grant in 2010 from the institute
The coalition said on its website it had never had financial support from corporations, foundations or governments, and “99 per cent of all donations have come from private individuals in the United Kingdom, New Zealand, United States and Australia”.
Liars lobbyists and lawyers
and dont forget the sheep baaa
February 1st, 2012 at 9:09 am
June 8, 2011 – The government’s cash flow and financial statements have remained similar to forecasts, and though the tax take is in line with projections, the country’s net debt position has climbed 0.3% to $27.8 billion, or 15% of GDP.
– http://business.scoop.co.nz/2010/06/08/new-zealand’s-net-debt-edges-up-in-first-10-months/
So while Key is buggering around with the Maori over assets sales, which may reach $ 7 billion, in what way does the Government propose handling the other 75% of new Zealand’s debt?
February 1st, 2012 at 9:11 am
Griff – it’s last weeks’ news buddy. Clearly the Herald has 1) slow reporters 2) an agenda and 3) slow readers
February 1st, 2012 at 9:13 am
Griff,
What do you think US70k would have covered? Attendance for staff at a couple of overseas conferences?
What did it cost the taxpayer for NIWA to come up with an official temperature record that shows a increase of one degree over the last hundred years, but only when ‘adjustments’ are made (raw data shows no warming), these adjustments now the subject of a high court case. Costs for this debacle must be into seven figures by now.
February 1st, 2012 at 9:15 am
@ flipper
Much as I applaud the principles and sentiments expresed in this principal’s email, I very much doubt that it was ever sent. No principal of any school anywhere in the Western world would have the courage to express views like this in conversation, let alone in writing. This smells like an urban myth to me.
February 1st, 2012 at 9:20 am
flipper
a good address but it might be this Dennis Prager http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Prager
February 1st, 2012 at 9:21 am
DM, your nose is reliable:<a href=" http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/principal.asp"(http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/principal.asp
February 1st, 2012 at 9:24 am
Dave Mann, Snopes.com agrees with you. It was authored by a talkshow host, and has been attributed to several schools and countries.
February 1st, 2012 at 9:37 am
Yep, debunking here: http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/principal.asp
Which is good, because “you’ll be getting your self-esteem from other people now” is the kind of lack of reading comprehension you don’t want in a school principal.
February 1st, 2012 at 9:42 am
BP is funding research into “ways of tackling the world’s climate problem” at Princeton University to the tune of $2 million per year for 15 years
BP is funding an energy research institute involving two other US universities to the tune of $500 million – the aim of which is “to develop new sources of energy and reduce the impact of energy consumption on the environment”
ExxonMobil itself has donated $100 million to Stanford university so that researchers there can find “ways to meet growing energy needs without worsening global warming”
http://utahclimate.org/articles/news/bp-greenpeace-the-big-oil-jackpot
After you’ve fact checked those Griff let’s compare notes.
February 1st, 2012 at 9:57 am
2. Ignoring major changes in site location will produce wrong results
We again reiterate that for the longer “seven station” time series, adjustments to account for significant site changes are necessary in order to provide a meaningful estimate of New Zealand temperature trends.
For example, in Wellington, early temperature measurements were made in Thorndon at three metres above sea level, but in 1928 the measurement site was moved to Kelburn at 125 metres above sea level. The Kelburn site is on average 0.8ºC cooler than Thorndon because of the extra height above sea level. So, the raw data need to be adjusted to ensure we are comparing apples with apples.
By the same token, if the climate station had been moved the other way – from Kelburn down to Thorndon – the raw data would then give too warm a reading and would also need to be adjusted.
NIWA’s analysis of measured temperatures uses internationally-accepted techniques to make adjustments for changes such as movement of measurements sites.
3. NZ Climate Science Coalition disingenuous
For more than two years, New Zealand Climate Science Coalition members have known of the need to adjust the “seven station” data. They have had access to:
• the raw data
• the adjusted data (anomalies)
• information needed to identify the adjustments made by Dr Salinger
• information needed to develop their own adjustments.
However the NZ Climate Science Coalition paper collated by Richard Treadgold (25 November 2009), and the media release issued by the Coalition on 26 November, were based on analysing the “seven station” data without any adjustments at all for site changes. This is why NIWA Chief Climate Scientist Dr David Wratt expressed his disappointment with the coalition statements, in NIWA’s media release of 26 November.
2. Ignoring major changes in site location will produce wrong results
We again reiterate that for the longer “seven station” time series, adjustments to account for significant site changes are necessary in order to provide a meaningful estimate of New Zealand temperature trends.
For example, in Wellington, early temperature measurements were made in Thorndon at three metres above sea level, but in 1928 the measurement site was moved to Kelburn at 125 metres above sea level. The Kelburn site is on average 0.8ºC cooler than Thorndon because of the extra height above sea level. So, the raw data need to be adjusted to ensure we are comparing apples with apples.
By the same token, if the climate station had been moved the other way – from Kelburn down to Thorndon – the raw data would then give too warm a reading and would also need to be adjusted.
NIWA’s analysis of measured temperatures uses internationally-accepted techniques to make adjustments for changes such as movement of measurements sites.
3. NZ Climate Science Coalition disingenuous
For more than two years, New Zealand Climate Science Coalition members have known of the need to adjust the “seven station” data. They have had access to:
• the raw data
• the adjusted data (anomalies)
• information needed to identify the adjustments made by Dr Salinger
• information needed to develop their own adjustments.
However the NZ Climate Science Coalition paper collated by Richard Treadgold (25 November 2009), and the media release issued by the Coalition on 26 November, were based on analysing the “seven station” data without any adjustments at all for site changes. This is why NIWA Chief Climate Scientist Dr David Wratt expressed his disappointment with the coalition statements, in NIWA’s media release of 26 November.
lawyers lobbyists and liars
dont forget the sheep baaar
February 1st, 2012 at 10:00 am
re Prager
Snopes et al….
Snopes (checked before posted) is not definitive on this, but only supporters of the status quo really care.
It is what is written nd what “he” says that matters.
This is the message that should go to every NZ MP (it has already gone to some).
February 1st, 2012 at 10:01 am
flipper says: “CANADIAN PRINCIPAL’S OPENING MESSAGE TO STUDENTS”
Looks like this was first aired by Prager in June 2010. It started: “(If every high-school principal gave this speech at the beginning of the next school year, America would be a better place.)”
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/243455/real-education-dennis-prager
But I doubt that any principal in this country would have the guts to say it. What a pity.
February 1st, 2012 at 10:06 am
Elaycee..
Sadly, you are correct.
But I have sent it, without apology (for Snopes wankerisms), to several that I know.
F
February 1st, 2012 at 10:08 am
Griff,
I guess if the court upholds the climate science complaint, you’ll accept their finding?
February 1st, 2012 at 10:20 am
This would be such a shame, if this happened anywhere. At our local high school one of the most fun days is International Day when kids come to school wearing their national dress.
With many refugee and overseas students, it’s very colorful and the kids have a lot of fun.
So sad to see this kind of racist diatribe getting airtime, but, hey, this is Kiwiblog!
February 1st, 2012 at 10:23 am
fathead
dont you mean the climate lawyers complaint science is not done in court.
They will not why do you think the separate trust was formed to go to court
so they dont have to pay the bill when they are politely told to fuck off
lawyers liars and lobbyists.
dont forget the sheep
February 1st, 2012 at 10:36 am
With regard to this information: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10782486
Brian Leyland shows how easily truth is eluded with this comment as published in that article:
Mr Leyland wants us to believe that people contribute (either directly or by proxy) to an outfit called (the misnomer is stunning!) the “New Zealand Climate Science Coalition” in spite of having “no interest in climate change”!
Really, Brian? So they donate to save the children in Timbuktu?
And a visit to the Heartland Institute website will show immediately that its interest in (denying) the consequences anthropogenic climate change runs deep.
http://heartland.org/issues/environment
They just like the cut of your beard, huh, Brian?
Pull the other one.
February 1st, 2012 at 10:38 am
Griff, so that’s a no then?
February 1st, 2012 at 10:42 am
More after the break …
February 1st, 2012 at 10:51 am
Yes,it’s such fun to see the happy smiling expressions on the faces of those Afghan and Saudi teenagers wearing their national costume,the niqab…….
February 1st, 2012 at 10:52 am
Folks,
This reallky serious.,
The SWhale has made tgwo zsikgnificaNT medical discoveries -
KDS
February 1st, 2012 at 10:55 am
fatnuts
Just a word to to dispel your delusions as regards the NIWA NZ temperature record (not an official record, by the way), take NIWA’s seven station series completely out of the global record and the global record will remain exactly the same.
And there’s more: the Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature project, funded in large part by deniers (or, if you like skeptics, but that’s yet another perversion of the English language) has found that the temperature records as published by GISS, NOAA and Hadley are correct – although it does record that the Hadley Centre understates the warming by some very small degree.
Say, fatnuts, is the size of your nuts in inverse proportion to the size of of your brain?
February 1st, 2012 at 11:15 am
Luc..
Are you on Venus? Or Mars?
You are certainly not on this planet.
NIWA? Dumb.,
February 1st, 2012 at 11:17 am
I’ll omit the source of this for the moment:
February 1st, 2012 at 11:20 am
Getting a little edgey with the decline of your ‘politics of doom’ ideology Luc, as those CO2 centric ‘models’ of the 90′s diverge further from reality? Oh dear..
February 1st, 2012 at 11:27 am
And we’re back on this exciting new development in climate change discussion:
Heh, heh, heh.
As the writer points out, the “solutions” prescribed to solve looming Global Warming and the looming Ice Age are exactly the same: in order to stave off disaster, we must reverse the march of civilization, stop our profligate use of carbon-based fuels, cede power and money from the First World to the Third World, and wherever possible revert to a Luddite pre-industrial lifestyle (I see there’s the suggestion of a tax on steaks, which of course could be tucked away under the whole we’re making you healthier rubric). The writer thinks this whole approach could be re-written as follows:
You can read the rest of the article – including scanned pages from the The Coming of the New Ice Age, here (the cover comes complete with the key words for a 1970′s best-seller – “CIA” and “Conspiracy”).
February 1st, 2012 at 11:37 am
Here’s another example of the toleration that Islam has for other religions. By the way islamic scholars like to pretend that they hold the Ethiopian Christians in high regard as the king of Ethiopia gave protection to a group of Mohammeds followers who were fleeing persecution.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2012/01/20121311378554467.html
February 1st, 2012 at 12:02 pm
Yep, it’s all a conspiracy, Tom. You don’t need to convince us anymore. Go suck a big sav somewhere and relax in the knowledge you have set the world to right.
Now, that Tom’s out of the way, people, we can get on with the real job and solve the problem we are foisting upon all species on this planet.
And rather than some kind of regression to a cave man existence – a logical impossibility given the task of feeding so many billions of humans – we need the opposite approach.
First, ignore the modern luddites and invest heavily in renewables.
Second, harness the free market. Just removing the direct and indirect subsidies from fossil fuel should do the trick. Subsidy-free fossil fuels will immediately become deeply uneconomic. The good news is that we have time to do this slowly, over a couple of decades, although we will be assured of overshooting our target temperature limit and this brings me to the next point.
Three, without relying on it, intensely explore geoengineering, particularly that involving removing C02 from the atmosphere and storing it for a millennia or two.
Four, include future effects in our planning. For example, I cannot think of anything more stupid than rebuilding Christchurch in situ when it will be in danger of inundation by only the end of this, yes, this, century, according to the very latest satellite data.
Applying belief systems to physics doesn’t make the physics go away, Tom. Neither does promoting Nostradamus-like prophets of doom who are simply peddlers of tasty snake oil.
So keep your V8, while you can afford the fuel, by all means, but I assure you, your grandchildren will be living in a slightly smaller world (more sea, less land) that will be cleaner, quieter and healthier and will look back at our generation and wonder what we were thinking.
Or it will be a Mad Max scenario. I doubt even our moat will save us then.
But I prefer to think sanity will prevail.
February 1st, 2012 at 12:11 pm
IF the planet was indeed warming, and IF that warming was going to produce the alleged catastrophes of hotter weather, droughts, food shortages, rising sea levels, millions of climate refugees etc, then the intelligent thing for people and nations to do would be:
1) – Build more baseload power stations (coal, oil, gas, nuclear, whatever):
To power the air conditioning so we can continue to work and survive, provide refrigeration to stop our food from spoiling, power the pumps we would need for expanded irrigation projects, and even power desal plants if necessary to provide the water, plus many other things.
2) – Build more dams:
To increase our capacity to store vital water when it does rain.
3) – Increase our infrastructure so that we can cope with all the refugees:
These “millions” of refugees will need homes, food, water, clothing, transport, power etc.
4)- Wherever possible, increase our food-growing capacity.
5) – As nations, practice a bit of conservatism in spending, and accumulate capital tackle the problems that will come – such as building seawalls as an example.
However, whether it is getting warmer or cooler, we are going into it with:
1) – Windmills instead of useable power.
2) – No new dams.
3) – Crumbling infrastructure – money directed into windmills and a hundred other crazy, useless, “feel good” projects.
4) – 30% and growing of the world’s surplus (exportable) food supply now diverted to the production of biofuels while people starve.
5) – Nations that have bankrupted themselves on, amongst other things, the Great Green Dream.
February 1st, 2012 at 12:17 pm
Luc – what’s your opinion on wind power? I see it as a big fail, but you may have seen more success stories than I have (given we tend to read from different sources).
February 1st, 2012 at 12:21 pm
But with the UK Met office confirming that global warming ended 15 years ago, surely we should start some sort of popular campaign against ‘global cooling deniers’.
February 1st, 2012 at 12:28 pm
Auckland welcomes resident No. 1,500,000 today. Congratulation and celebrations.
Now spare a thought for another populace of 1,500,000, living in an area only 25 miles by 5 miles (approx), hemmed in by barbed wire on land and a heavily patrolled sea, a border with one country still largely under the control of the imperialist collaborators who instituted a brutal dispossession, occupation and medieval siege of the indigenous population of historic Palestine.
A year or so ago, Zionist propagandist, David Zwartz, on TV3,lauded Israeli humanity for permitting a total of 250 truckloads of goods in Gaza, even after Gaza had been flattened in the 2008/9 massacre, which claimed mainly women, children and civilians by any reasonable definition (Israel’s definition of civilian excludes men aged between 15 and 65; that is not reasonable).
It’s a topsy turvy world in which propaganda overturns facts to create aggressors out of the attacked.
But just think of the state Auckland would be in if we were only permitted 250 truckloads per day, and our efforts at local production continually attacked and destroyed by the most sophisticated weaponry the world has ever seen.
February 1st, 2012 at 12:37 pm
RN
Facts don’t interest you. You are only interested in your own delusions.
But in reply, although I’m running out of time:
1) – Windmills instead of useable power. Check out advances in Germany. Every source of energy will have its place as we phase out fossil
2) – No new dams. You mean New Zealand? Why dams on valuable land when you can harness tidal power?)
3) – Crumbling infrastructure – money directed into windmills and a hundred other crazy, useless, “feel good” projects. straw man nonsense
4) – 30% and growing of the world’s surplus (exportable) food supply now diverted to the production of biofuels while people starve.simply not true. And subsidies for biofuel in the US, which is the villain in this story, had nothing to do with climate change – it was all about energy independence for the US and damn feeding the rest of the world
5) – Nations that have bankrupted themselves on, amongst other things, the Great Green Dream. Name one. You made this up, too
And your point about base load regarding coal, especially, is a good example of cognitive dissonance. Don’t feel bad. Our government suffers from the same.
February 1st, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Luc, can I ask you a a genuine question? Out of all the atrocities that are committed in the world today – some of which have been mentioned in this thread, and which get far less publicity than the plight of Palestinians – why do you focus exclusively on those committed within the Judeochristian/Western milieu?
February 1st, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Here’s a good one on “warming” and written by scientists.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204301404577171531838421366.html?mod=WSJ_WSJ_News_BlogsModule
As Corporal Jones would say “Don’t panic”.
February 1st, 2012 at 12:45 pm
I’m really worried about global warming.
How much smellier can South Auckland get?
February 1st, 2012 at 12:52 pm
“….a border with one country still largely under the control of the imperialist collaborators who instituted a brutal dispossession, occupation and medieval siege of the indigenous population of historic Palestine….”
Oh dear…. this from the same keyboard that wrote this propaganda theory: “…start with an untruth and build upon it with more lies and distortions, confusing the audience with the volume of misinformation.”
“It’s a topsy turvy world in which propaganda overturns facts… ”
Indeed it is. But its not hard to identify the propaganda – the same old names keep churning it out…
February 1st, 2012 at 12:55 pm
Luc, your version of facts doesn’t interest me, especially the ones that keep getting retrospectively adjusted – like 1998 being the hottest year on record, until it became inconvenient. How is that Hadcrut4 dataset shaping up? Have they got it just right to support the story for the next couple of years? Can we expect Hadcrut5 to adjust 2005 and 2010 downwards in order to support claims of continued warming?
Of all the models MRI2 is to date the one most closely matching observations. That’s what I call a fact – what do you call it?
February 1st, 2012 at 1:06 pm
fatnuts, the Met Office says no such thing. The underlying trend is warming, you just choose to pretend to misunderstand.
The underlying trend of anthropogenically caused temperature increase is illustrated here, a good example of serious research:
http://tamino.wordpress.com/2011/12/06/the-real-global-warming-signal/
Look for the graph “Average of 5 adjusted data sets” where Tamino removes the influences of El Nino oscillations, volcanic forcings, and variation of the sun’s output i.e. all the major known natural climate forcings.
What’s left is the human temperature footprint. You will see that 2010 was the warmest in the time period Jan 1979 to Dec 2010.
I’m sure you will find the science inconvenient to your belief system.
You would do well to examine the latter.
February 1st, 2012 at 1:11 pm
RN
You digress. We were discussing the temperature record, actual observations, not models.
Another example of the Monckton method.
Take at look at the Tamino’s work, above. Peer reviewed by one of the most prestigious journal.
Now I’ve got a shed to build, sorry.
February 1st, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Yvette simple, not a Maori, none of your damn business.
Oh, are you native born or a visitor ?
February 1st, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Maybe you should actually have a look at their data Luc, here’s a link for your convienience:
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climatechange/science/monitoring/hadcrut3.html
February 1st, 2012 at 1:20 pm
flipper
I had hoped it was true because I would support everything that was said.
However many NZ Principals and Teachers would choke in their tea at such as this.
They would not have the education or intelligence to understand it however.
To them it would represent “hate mail”.
February 1st, 2012 at 1:26 pm
fatnuts – hadcrut4 is out, 1998 is adjusted downwards a little and 2005 and 2010 are both a fraction warmer than 98.
Oddly the UAH and RSS satellite records still have 1998 as the warmest year, not sure how that is explained away.
February 1st, 2012 at 1:36 pm
So me pointing to bunch of catastrophist loons in the 1970′s who wrote something titled “The Weather Conspiracy” and who demanded the same solutions as warmists today demand – means that I’m the one who’s saying there’s a conspiracy?
Introduction to Luc Logic 101. There’s more where that came from:
Really? You’re trying to project that on to me as well; the very actions that you and your warmist comrades have been pushing for two decades now? One person and one company for you: Al Gore and Enron.
Welll that’s what I was taught when I studied physics as part of my Science degree – while you were qualifying in the Single Grope School of Charm. No wonder this is your advice:
Despite some rough patches, it does indeed appear that physics is making some aspects of a belief system go away, to whit, Der Spiegel:
Sheesh. You and your solar mates are like the cargo cults of the Pacific Islands in WWII: all that infrastructure built on the ground followed by weeks of staring at the sky asking <Why power no come?. It’s time to peel back the possum-skin tent flap and take a peak at reality.
Anyway, the Germans have decided to dump subsidies for solar power, with the result that the share prices for those companies are collapsing almost as fast as Solyndra. As another commentator noted:
Spain too!.
While Barclays Bank has closed it’s US emissions trading desk, five years after proclaiming that we believe in its long-term importance.
You and your far-left ideology have face-planted so many times in the past few decades it’s embarrassing. Good thing you never feel embarrassed.
February 1st, 2012 at 1:49 pm
This wonderful, intelligent passionate woman born of an American Jewish mother and an Iraqi Muslim father tells it like it is.
Meet Dr Dahlia S. Wasfi and hear her speak: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGTJq8LnIQg&has_verified=1
February 1st, 2012 at 1:49 pm
fatnuts says:- “But with the UK Met office confirming that global warming ended 15 years ago”
Rubbish.
February 1st, 2012 at 2:07 pm
“in order to stave off disaster, we must reverse the march of civilization, stop our profligate use of carbon-based fuels, cede power and money from the First World to the Third World”
Alarmist nonsense.
February 1st, 2012 at 2:10 pm
Not knowing how hot or cold it was while reading the global warming debate, I thought ‘heck’ I’ll take my jersey off anyway because it’s 30 degrees. Then I read something interesting on Yahoo news, apparently some members of the Helensville electorate were not aware that they were voting in the general election last November, and actually thought that were voting for John Key as the local traffic cop and noise control officer. Apparently chewing hay seeds has other side effects as well as several inflatable tanks have been found in the neighbourhood in recent weeks being tracked by black helicopters with silver badges and sunglasses.
February 1st, 2012 at 2:16 pm
tom hunter 11:27 am. Yeah, I remember all that ‘global cooling’ stuff from the 70s.
cheers
David Prosser
February 1st, 2012 at 2:28 pm
grumpyoldhori – Yvette simple, not a Maori, none of your damn business.
My point exactly, so I ask where is a Constitution similar to that of the United States instead of your 171 year old, fucking badly worded, failed real estate agreement?
February 1st, 2012 at 2:29 pm
Another loser
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10782656
February 1st, 2012 at 3:05 pm
I could not agree more Scott. That’s why I’ve no time for alarmists.
Oh – you mean that is not what most warmists are saying? That it’s putting words in their mouths? Well, let’s examine each of those premises and compare them with what is said by warmists. I expect this will be fun for someone who specialises in linguistic analysis:
we must reverse the march of civilization,
One of the most common assertions I hear from Greens is that we cannot continue with the idea of economic growth when we are constrained by the limits of global resources. Zero economic growth is the only logical conclusion, and is sometimes even baldly stated. Presumably anybody who denies the next step in that sequence must believe that a civilisation can be held in a perfect steady state, neither growing nor shrinking. Would it make any difference if I tracked actual quotes, because I could then be accused of producing only a small, anecdotal sample?
stop our profligate use of carbon-based fuels,
There’s actually a quote in the book that sums this up perfectly and again it’s something I’ve heard and read thousands of times from Greens over the decades:
cede power and money from the First World to the Third World”
Once again, a perfectly logical conclusion from any analysis of how AGW emissions are going to be capped and then reduced without screwing the economic growth of undeveloped countries. But rather than take my interpretive word, read what German economist and IPCC official Ottmar Edenhofer had to say a couple of years ago in an interview with Germany’s NZZ Online
Gosh, the second and third assertions of profligate energy use and ceding money to the Third World respectively, just happen to coincide perfectly with socialist dreams down through the ages of a world without all that nasty consumerist, excessive consumption and with equality in wealth and income.
Funny that.
February 1st, 2012 at 3:14 pm
Scott says “rubbish”.
Interesting counterpoint, But if you followed the link to the Met Office web site, you would see their data demonstrating exactly that.
You see Scott, the disaster scenario you are so fond of relies on CO2 centric modelling, where the temperature is predicted to rise monotonically. Those models cannot explain the cyclic temperatures that we observe here in reality. Cycles which are though explained by helio centric models, that predict global cooling over the next 50 odd years or so.
Now if we could just find a way to solve global cooling thought some sort of punative tax on the developed world, I’m sure it will become just as popular with the UN as the now defunct notion of of gobal warming.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:20 pm
fat head
sheep baaa baaa
http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/news/20120119/
The first 11 years of the 21st century experienced notably higher temperatures compared to the middle and late 20th century, . The only year from the 20th century in the top 10 warmest years on record is 1998.
lawyers liars lobbyist and loopy sheep
February 1st, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Who would have thought that maori ripped of maori? comes as a shock ,yer right
http://nz.rd.yahoo.com/news/rss/top_stories/*http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/12779540/teen-accused-of-stealing-funeral-food/
February 1st, 2012 at 4:29 pm
Griff,
Even their graph shows temperature has plateaued. That’s not supposed to happen under your ideology?
February 1st, 2012 at 4:30 pm
helio centric models
lovely science sounding words fat head
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2011/
the cool La Niña phase of the cyclically variable Southern Oscillation of tropical temperatures has been dominant in the past three years, and the deepest solar minimum in the period of satellite data occurred over the past half dozen years. We conclude that the slowdown of warming is likely to prove illusory, with more rapid warming appearing over the next few years
lawyers liars lobbyist and loopy sheep!
February 1st, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Griff – are you saying this is something the world should be alarmed about? Should we be taking drastic action immediately?
February 1st, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Right now
fuck off
I have already told you about putting words into my mouth
yours taste like shit.
Best thing to do if you are worried about your carbon footprint is kill yourself
Dead people are the greenest people
lawyers liars lobbyist and loopy sheep!
February 1st, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Chill out Griff, I am asking you for clarification to avoid the possibility of putting words in your mouth.
The consensus of scientists seem to be saying the world is headed for catastrophe. You keep telling us we’re stupid not to believe them.
Do you believe them?
February 1st, 2012 at 4:47 pm
Actually no Griff, what we’re seeing there in the plateau is entirely consistent with CERN findings, which have pretty much invalidated the IPCC models you global cooling deniers are so reliant upon for your doomsday scenario.
February 1st, 2012 at 4:52 pm
As I have already told you repeatedly
answered you question many times
It seems to be a problem with your comprehension skills
go to school
try year five
and learn to understand
reading is not only abc it involves far more
oh and science and statistics once you reach a suitable level would help as well
lawyers liars lobbyist and loopy sheep!
February 1st, 2012 at 5:01 pm
So you believe the world is fucked but in NZ we’re ok? That’s what you’ve previously answered isn’t it?
Correct me if I misunderstood you, I’d hate to put words in your mouth.
February 1st, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Thanks Griff. Maybe I’ll see you there.
February 1st, 2012 at 5:10 pm
So Griff,
Do you think this global warming thingy has legs
February 1st, 2012 at 5:35 pm
Does Griff work for the government?
Last comment at 4.52 pm, walking out the door soon after.
February 1st, 2012 at 5:48 pm
peb
I am inclined to agree with the scientific community
not the oil industry spin
I find that the anti science propaganda from
lawyers liars lobbyist and loopy sheep!
An extremely distressing development
That is needlessly obfuscating true science
to the detriment of the forward progress of civilization
As to the impact of agw
NZ
first world,mountainous, and maritime climate
We will suffer far less than the third world,continental climates, and low terrains
we have no need to compromise our competitiveness on the world stage for no gain to anyone.
our yearly .02%of carbon admissions
is way less than the world yearly increase of 15%
bring it on all good for us
never mind the rest
February 1st, 2012 at 5:57 pm
tom hunter says:- “One of the most common assertions I hear from Greens is that we cannot continue with the idea of economic growth when we are constrained by the limits of global resources.”
Those are the red greens tom, not the rational greens. Even the IPCC acknowledges the need for economic growth and this is built into its most optimistic “emissions scenario” which anticipates:
>> Rapid economic growth.
>> A global population that reaches 9 billion in 2050 and then gradually declines.
>> The quick spread of new and efficient technologies.
>> A convergent world – income and way of life converge between regions. Extensive social and cultural interactions worldwide.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Report_on_Emissions_Scenarios
Bet you like the last one on the list
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With regard to the term “alarmist”, I suspect this gentleman of Iranian Jewish extraction would fall into that category:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nouriel_Roubini
February 1st, 2012 at 5:58 pm
I see that there is a hue and cry about to proposed appointment of Catherine Isaacs to oversea the trial of charter schools (http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/6346182/Charter-schools-job-not-confirmed).
I wonder if it will ever occur to the left that when you appoint to a project, you look for someone who believes it will work — not someone, like Robin Duff — whose opening position is that it cannot work.
February 1st, 2012 at 6:06 pm
Griff, what have you got against oil companies funding research?
BP is funding research into “ways of tackling the world’s climate problem” at Princeton University to the tune of $2 million per year for 15 years
BP is funding an energy research institute involving two other US universities to the tune of $500 million – the aim of which is “to develop new sources of energy and reduce the impact of energy consumption on the environment”
ExxonMobil itself has donated $100 million to Stanford university so that researchers there can find “ways to meet growing energy needs without worsening global warming”
February 1st, 2012 at 6:13 pm
It’s hilarious to see the alarmists’ ignominious scramble to try to explain away the complete lack of warming for a decade and half; a pattern which totally contradicts everything they have been pompously shouting at us for the last 20 years and more.
The notorious Hockeystick chart purported to demonstrate that natural climate variation is negligible, that the Earth’s climate is totally dominated by the effects of anthropogenic CO2, and was shamelessly promoted by alarmists for years after every honest person understood it was a complete fabrication; with sceptics being roundly condemned and villified whenever and wherever they patiently pointed out the shocking flaws in its construction.
Yet now those same alarmists are rushing to claim that the absence of any recent warming must be due to, er, natural climate variation.
In other words, the sceptics they spent the last decade angrily denouncing were right all along.
Hallelujah! There is more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous people who do not need to repent.
February 1st, 2012 at 6:14 pm
Hey Griff, did you know that HALF of the world’s particle physicists are in service at CERN? – I mention this because I know how you guys place so much emphasis on counting up your ‘scientists’. Anyway, these are the guys that have shown, by experiment that your CO2 climate models are fatally flawed, and need to be revised as helio centric models. I think I may have previously mentioned this.
When this helio centric theory was first mooted by CERN, in 1998, rather than embrace the possibility that CO2 emmissions were not responsible for the majority of warming, the project was then put on ice. Wouldn’t you have thought that governments would have eagerly embraced a possibilty to avoid inflicting massive costs and inefficiency on industry, through increased taxes? Odd isn’t it?
February 1st, 2012 at 6:20 pm
Compare and contrast:
“First, ignore the modern luddites and invest heavily in renewables. ”
“Three in one week! Another green energy stimulus recipient goes bankrupt”
http://netrightdaily.com/2012/01/three-in-one-week-another-green-energy-stimulus-recipient-goes-bankrupt/
February 1st, 2012 at 6:30 pm
If Griff is blogging and posting at 4.52 he cannot be working for the government unless it is a PR section
February 1st, 2012 at 6:31 pm
RightNow
BP puts solar panels on the roof
why the cost is enormous the gain negligible
green spin
Its not the science funding its the spin
lawyers liars lobbyist and loopy sheep!
You are guilty as well
If you are going to post links to daily mail advertorials or dodgy science fringe lunatics (or solartics as recently)
driven by some lawyer from heartland or “REAL” climate science
unbiased and true NOT
you will continue to attract my derision
Why do you not devote your time to directly fighting against ETS and other futile lefty crap
rather than attacking science
February 1st, 2012 at 6:43 pm
ETS is actually righty crap, free market signals and all that, Griff.
An ETS is simply a market to provide permits to pollute. Getting rid of it would only matter in terms of sending a signal that would be misinterpreted by the deniers. Replacing it with a carbon tax would be a smart move, but only when the US and China do the same. Until then, we can show committment through how we source our energy and to reducing agricultural emissions – using science.
You know, only in the US and Autralia is climate change a partisan political issue, except for parties trying to outdo each other in the perceived effectiveness of the policies they promote.
Almost every, if not all, I’ll have to check, European nation is ruled by a “conservative” party. The Right Nows would be laughed out of polite company.
February 1st, 2012 at 6:46 pm
I’m not a Green but it seems common sense that ecconomic growth cannot continue with a growing population in a finite world. Somehow the brainy types have got to find a way to reduce the drain on the world’s resources and still keep life tolerable for humanity. One part idea or step towards this is to stop making people redundant with advances in science and production and instead of reducing peoples input into goods and services but increase it A second step is to control and reduce population growth faster than the projections out lined by Scott Chris … that reduction cannot wait for 2050 to start. Unless we have wars and/or famine it is a long term solution that needs to start now.
A third step may well be, as the money merchants debate the future of capitalism, extending the social security safety net to all in the world along with birth control so while people can enjoy relationships they do not procreate to have somebody to look after them in their old age. That is of course contrary to the religious ostriches beliefs, the world cannot afford to have them with their bums in the air and brains in the sand.
February 1st, 2012 at 6:50 pm
Poor boy, evidence just won’t do it for you, will it?
Here’s a fact for you, La Nina is a cooling oscillation, but last year was the hottest La Nina year on record. Some plateau!
And you are misrepresenting the CERN findings. But it’s such a sophisticated endeavour that its almost made for mischievous people just like your good self.
February 1st, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Global cooling was a fringe theory. Almost all peer reviewed studies of the time were predicting warming.
The cooling turned out to be aerosols from intensified coal burning, powering western civilsation as it acumulated most of the world’s wealth while using the atmosphere as the biggest ever dumping ground.
Still, at least you don’t argue that we do have warming. It’s a starter for 10, as they say.
February 1st, 2012 at 7:00 pm
Yet another AGW debate I see. Ah well, it’s been at least two days since the last one, hasn’t it. Tell me, does anything or anyone ever change, or do you all just like repeating the same talking points in slightly different language? Why don’t you all become journalists, they seem to enjoy that as well.
http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/20-signs-that-europe-is-plunging-into-a-full-blown-economic-depression
February 1st, 2012 at 7:02 pm
“La Nina” eh Luc? Is that what’s busted up your hockey stick? A bit inconvienient that the planet isn’t warming as exected then? One might even call that ‘evidence’.
February 1st, 2012 at 7:07 pm
I presume you mean the last one on the SRES link – Comparison with a “no policy” scenario – rather than the last of your list of four?
In which case I’d have to say that I don’t like that scenario at all, but it seems to be the way we’re going, what with the entirely expected failure of Copenhagen and the withdrawal from Kyoto of former “good guy”, Canada. All of which I fully approve of by the way – it’s just that I’d like to see us pursuing other policies now that the socialist control crap is being dropped.
The policies I would like to see would be a huge development of nuclear power world-wide, with special emphasis on 4G passive designs, smaller “modular” reactors (enough to power 5000-45,000 homes), and thorium-based reactors.
I’d love to see SSPS (Solar Power Satellite Systems), since that could also be used to build the orbital space industry, in much the same way that the US government used its mail delivery needs to get the aircraft industry to build itself in the 1920′s.
Sadly, the outlook for that scenario is bleak, although there are occasional glimmers of light.
February 1st, 2012 at 7:11 pm
@ reid
“Yet another AGW debate I see. Ah well, it’s been at least two days since the last one, hasn’t it. Tell me, does anything or anyone ever change, or do you all just like repeating the same talking points in slightly different language? Why don’t you all become journalists, they seem to enjoy that as well.”
I will not bother to link, you have seen and read the Worldwide media postings
Well it could have been ‘Generally Religious Debate’ reid.
I like the AGW, they are getting hammered, and the fuckwit supporters have cost the whole WORLD a lot of money just to support a lifestyle of not doing real WORK
February 1st, 2012 at 7:28 pm
Let’s hope Mega receives similar publicity:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2012/jan/31/barack-obama-richard-odwyer-extradition
The new craze: as in – idiot
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2093801/Rooftopping-Photographs-taken-daredevils-skyscrapers.html
Possibli the best horror movie in the whole world?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2094187/V-H-S-horror-movie-Sundance-Film-Festivals-graphic-scenes-audiences-SICK.html
Radiation from Fukushima hits NZ (and where, one has to ask, was Hulun?) Isn’t such illegal under Hulun’s anti-nuke law? Perhaps Hulun’s next job should be NZ’s next Ambassador once she’s finished hating and wrecking the UNDP (which I understand is going well, if you like that sort of thing. I’m not sure the UNDP does, but Hulun certainly does, doesn’t she).
http://sccc.org.au/archives/2517
Well it could have been ‘Generally Religious Debate’ reid.
Yes Steve, that would have been similarly frightful. Perhaps we all need to get ourselves a copy of The Big Book of World Events and look past the few chapters which are bolded and in big type for easy reading…
February 1st, 2012 at 7:29 pm
Steve
You are witnessing the great tragedy of Science – the slaying of a beautiful hypothesis by an ugly fact.
February 1st, 2012 at 7:29 pm
No wonder John Key lives im Remmer’s. why would you live in the hick country amoung wingers?
Complaints were made about Dotcom
Wednesday, 1, Feb, 2012 12:14PM
Two complaints were made to the Prime Minister’s electorate office over the behaviour of internet millionaire Kim Dotcom.
John Key had said he hadn’t heard of the German national until told of planned police action, even though he rented a palatial mansion in his Helensville electorate.
But it’s been revealed complaints were made about Dotcom’s driving behaviour and noise to his electorate staff.
Mr Key says he’s now been informed of that.
February 1st, 2012 at 7:32 pm
re Cathering Isaacs: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10782706
Who was it who said:
February 1st, 2012 at 7:36 pm
tom hunter says:- “The policies I would like to see would be a huge development of nuclear power world-wide, with special emphasis on 4G passive designs, smaller “modular” reactors (enough to power 5000-45,000 homes), and thorium-based reactors.”
Yes I agree. The sooner America becomes energy independent the better. For everyone.
No doubt you’re familiar with NASA’s cautious announcement of apparent success generating surplus heat via cold fusion (renamed LENR):
http://technologygateway.nasa.gov/media/CC/lenr/lenr.html (from NASA’s website)
Very exciting news.
February 1st, 2012 at 7:49 pm
@Tom
Somewhere in the book “The Weather Conspiracy: The Coming of the New Ice Age” it states that a 1974 CIA report concluded that there was “growing consensus among leading climatologists that the world is undergoing a cooling trend”
I suppose consensus is only important when it confirms the theory you agree with.
I also suppose those “leading climatologists” mentioned above weren’t as smart as Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia who predicted that Snowfalls would just be a thing of the past . Or NASA climate scientist Jay Zwally who said that the Arctic Ocean could be nearly ice-free at the end of summer by 2012.
Maybe those ‘Ice Age’ scientists were funded by ‘big oil’, a false flag operation?
February 1st, 2012 at 7:51 pm
Interesting:
“Unless the treaty clause is kept in there to protect and keep that interest there, then we are going to be up the lake without a paddle.”
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10782758&ref=rss
I thought it was ‘up the creek without a paddle’ Seems Mr Pita Sharples (Maori with a Pakeha name) talks in riddles
February 1st, 2012 at 8:00 pm
A Maori family were considering putting their grandfather into an old peoples’ home.
All the Maori facilities were full, so they had to put him in an Pakeha home.
After a few weeks in the Pakeha facility, they came to visit grandpa.
“How do you like it here?” asks the grandson?
“It’s wonderful! Everyone here is so courteous and respectful”, says grandpa.
“We’re so happy for you. We were worried that this was the wrong place for you. You know, since you are a little different from everyone.”
“Oh, no! Let me tell you about how wonderfully they treat the residents”, Wiremu says with a big smile.
“There’s a musician here — he’s 85 years old. He hasn’t played the violin in 20 years and everyone still calls him ‘Maestro’!”
“There’s a judge here — he’s 95 years old. He hasn’t been on the bench in 30 years and everyone still calls him ‘Your Honor’!”
“There’s a dentist here — he’s 90 years old. He hasn’t filled a tooth for 25 years and everyone still calls him ‘Doctor’!”
“And me – I haven’t had sex for 35 years and they still call me the ‘Fucking Maori’!”
February 1st, 2012 at 8:03 pm
From the same article…
‘The Government will being holding a number of hui around the country over the next three weeks to discuss the paper, and a decision would be made after that consultation period.’
Compromise already in the wind.
February 1st, 2012 at 8:19 pm
A Skylit Drive? “I’m not a thief, I’m a treasure hunter.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cbEwWeSK5U
Actually maybe that was the magpie. Is he still banned?
February 1st, 2012 at 8:31 pm
What is the difference between a Maori girl and an arab girl?
The Maori girl gets stoned before she commits adultery.
What do you call an arab with his arm up a camel’s ass?
A mechanic.
Why do jewish women want their men circumcised?
Because they won’t touch anything unless it’s 20% off.
What does an asian family name their kid if he’s retarded?
Sum Ting Wong.
What is a mexicans favorite sport?
Cross country.
How do you circumcise a hillbilly?
Kick his sister in the jaw.
What is the most confusing day in south Auckland
Father’s Day.
How many white men does it take to screw in a light bulb?
One, white men will screw anything.
no offense intended if I missed your racial group
February 1st, 2012 at 8:40 pm
RightNow
Phil U 02-Mar-12 4 months
He has been sighted at whale oil recently if U miss him
February 1st, 2012 at 8:46 pm
Q. How many Muslims does it take to change a lightbulb?
A. None. Their faith doesn’t allow change.
Q. How do you separate Muslim Men from Muslim Boys?
A. With a crowbar.
Q. What did God say when he created the first Maori?
A: Oh Shit! I burnt it!
Q. There’s a Maori on the road, dead, having been run over by an logging truck. What color is he?
A. Flat black.
February 1st, 2012 at 8:55 pm
“It must be watched with care and vigilance…”
http://www.alt-market.com/articles/540-baltic-dry-index-signals-renewed-market-collapse
February 1st, 2012 at 8:57 pm
Did you hear the one about the cannibal who dumped his girlfriend?
February 1st, 2012 at 9:06 pm
If, as Freddie Mercury claimed, fat bottomed girls make the rocking world go round, isn’t it about time that Masterton received some recognition for its contribution to astrophysics?
February 1st, 2012 at 9:11 pm
Luc “The Right Nows would be laughed out of polite company.”
The Right Nows don’t have time for polite company. That’s why we hang around here.
If climate skepticism helps prevent foolishness such as (“free market”) carbon exchanges then I’d see that as a positive outcome. At the very least I credit it with applying checks and balances.
February 1st, 2012 at 9:37 pm
maori girl was involved in a serious crash; there’s blood
everywhere. The paramedics arrive and drag the girl out of the car till
she’s
lying flat out on the floor.
Medic: “OK, I’m going to check if you’re concussed.”
aroha: “Ok.”
Medic: “Ok the how many fingers am I putting up?”
:aroha “Oh my god I’m paralysed from the waist down!”
February 1st, 2012 at 10:07 pm
A Maori bloke walked into WINZ, marched straight up to the
counter and said ‘Hi, I’m looking for a job’.
The man behind the counter replied ‘Your timing is amazing.
We’ve just got one in from a very wealthy man who wants a
chauffeur/bodyguard for his nymphomaniac twin daughters.
You’ll have to drive around in a big black Mercedes and wear the uniform
provided.
The hours are a bit long but meals are provided. You also have to
escort the young ladies on their overseas holidays. The salary package is
$200,000 a year’.
The Maori said ‘You’re bullshitting me!’
The man behind the counter said ‘Well you started it!’
February 1st, 2012 at 10:09 pm
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/middle-east/6351234/Taleban-to-retake-Afghanistan-report
A secret United States military report says that the Taleban, backed by Pakistan, are set to retake control over Afghanistan after Nato-led forces withdraw from the country, Britain’s Times of London reports.
February 1st, 2012 at 10:13 pm
http://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/6350277/Tasman-glacier-sheds-30-million-tonnes
A huge section of ice, estimated to weigh about 30 million tonnes, has broken off the Tasman Glacier.
The glacier had been retreating by 100 to 300 metres each year, with about 120 metres lost yesterday.
February 1st, 2012 at 10:40 pm
Last week, the U.S. Department of Agriculture updated its Plant Hardiness Zone Map for the first time since 1990.
the most notable change is a nationwide shift in planting zones to reflect how climate change is altering our climate and plant-growing regions. The vast majority of the country finds itself in a warmer zone, including large areas of the Capital Region and the rest of New York.
Read more: http://www.timesunion.com/opinion/article/The-price-of-climate-change-2889913.php#ixzz1l7bLAeZv
February 1st, 2012 at 10:48 pm
Excellent. Our retreat from the Ice Ages continues. If they start advancing again let me know so I can really start worrying.
Two words: Genetic Engineering (hated by the Greens almost as much as nuclear power).
February 1st, 2012 at 11:06 pm
“At first glance, the updated Plant Hardiness map may seem a cause of celebration for gardeners who will be able to consider new varieties and species, or to plant earlier in the season — not to mention those who pine for warmer winters.”
Gee, so it’s beneficial?
“However, the reality is that the shifts in climate that are reflected in the new planting zones are only the beginning of what is likely to be a profound period of change with significant, but unpredictable, consequences.”
Apparently not. The ‘reality’ must of course be doom and gloom.
The remainder of the article is adept at avoiding explaining why these gardeners should be fearful except for noting the region isn’t prepared for it. Well I guess they must be a bunch of deniers then because scientists have been telling them for over 20 years. What did they do, spend all their money on wind turbines?
February 1st, 2012 at 11:07 pm
Retreating glaciers?
Yep,it’s called the holocene and has been happening for some 10,000 years now.
February 2nd, 2012 at 6:58 am
See the lefties are doing in Aus what they’re doing in ChCh.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10782768
When they don’t like conservatives making a move into what they see as “their” territory they munt and moan and pretend it’s all unjust. Just like they’re doing in ChCh CC. When they lose a vote and they don’t like the result, they don’t accept it as simply democracy in action. Instead they feel quite free to continue their agitation and indeed sabotage, regardless of the fact that on the day, as per the rules, they lost. But no, they don’t, can’t and won’t accept that.
Apparently to lefties, democracy applies only when they get their way. When they don’t, it’s time to change the rules. Shame the media is so profoundly useless it simply repeats such lines without critique or analysis, ad nauseum